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cracrap

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taxing settlements
« on: July 20, 2009 09:28:14 PM »
ive read that how you structure your settlement agreement can make a difference on whether or not you will owe taxes on the settlement..

how are the taxes figured ?
 
say for example, i settle a tcpa claim for 10k as a pro se'er , is there particular language that needs to be used in the settlement agreement to avoid taxes ?
or is it all taxed as capital gains ?
some of the settlements wanted a w9 form from me, others didnt...
whats the deal?
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Re: taxing settlements
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2009 10:08:25 PM »
Before I knew better I provided a W-9. When it came up again I researched it and found that the distinction lies in rather or not they are reimbursing you for damages. There is no tax required on such reimbursements. Think of it this way, if I took $10,000 out of your bank, would you have to pay tax when I repaid it? No. Same with a car accident settlement, you are not taxed on the oney received to make you whole again.

The same policy applies to damages under law, certain statutes specify "statutory damages", they specifically identify, and quantify, the amount a consumer is to be deemed "damaged". Repayment of those damages should not be taxed.

If they pay a seperate sum certain for a NDA that line item amount would be taxable as income as it is not a "reimbusement".

Extending their greed they will always look to write the check off in it's entirety as a business expense. This is B.S. and you should call them on it.
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Re: taxing settlements
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2009 10:26:17 PM »

Think of it this way, if I took $10,000 out of your bank, would you have to pay tax when I repaid it? No. Same with a car accident settlement, you are not taxed on the oney received to make you whole again.

The same policy applies to damages under law, certain statutes specify "statutory damages", they specifically identify, and quantify, the amount a consumer is to be deemed "damaged". Repayment of those damages should not be taxed.

If they pay a seperate sum certain for a NDA that line item amount would be taxable as income as it is not a "reimbusement".

Extending their greed they will always look to write the check off in it's entirety as a business expense. This is B.S. and you should call them on it.


Steve may correct me on this, but the bank and accident taxability analogies would hinge on whether or not the amount had already been taken as a loss or an expense on your taxes.  It it has, then it is income.

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Re: taxing settlements
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009 10:50:49 PM »
It depends on how the damages are classified. Compensatory and punitive damages for example are dealt with differently. I am not a tax guru or even a willing tax payer and I am sure that there are many members here who can go into this in great depth.
However, my simplified layman's version for the ease of understanding in most cases is as follows,

settlements that relate to personal injuries (in the realm of this board that would include emotional distress loss of consortium etc) are not treated as income for taxation purposes.

Punitive damages are treated as income. So the recent 300K settlement which included 60K punitive would be subject to partial taxation.

The above is a very broad brush approach and individual cases can vary considerably, but I think i am correct in saying it is a reasonable rule of thumb when trying to assess your own situation.

Perhaps one of the Tax experts will give you a more comprehensive answer.

cracrap

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Re: taxing settlements
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009 11:33:11 AM »
im referring to damages based strictly on a statutory basis,for example the tcpa and fdcpa, no puni,or compensatory damages....
also this is in the context of settlement, not a court award....
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Re: taxing settlements
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009 03:21:09 PM »
As a general rule, ACTUAL damages are tax free, because they are simply recompense for harm you sustained in a way measurable in dollars and cents. You get into a car accident and py $1500 to fix your car. You sue the other driver and collect the 41500 back. Not taxable, The tax deductability of the expense you incurred has nothing to do with it.

STATUTORY damages are generally taxable because they meet none of the characteristics in the above paragraph.

As far as structuring the language of the settlement is concerned, that only works when the suit is over expenses to be incurred in the future that would constitute a measurable, qual\ntifiable damage, like future medical expenses.

In teh auto accident, your child in in teh rear seat in an approved and properly used child safety seat and in the accident and as  direct result of the other party's negligence suffers permanent and irreparable brain damage. The cost of your child's future medical and care expenses cannot be known at the time you sue, so the settlement encompasses all past, present and FUTURE medical expenses. Not taxable.
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Re: taxing settlements
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009 04:25:55 PM »
You sue the other driver and collect the 41500 back.

That sounded great to me until I realised it was just $1500 minus a shift key. I'm in the process of getting $4500 for my neighbors tree falling on my car and was about to ask how accompish such a feat. Now I know, include a " don't hit the shift key" clause in the settlement agreement.  :vbrofl:

On a serious note, I stand corrected and defer to Ifr's knowledge in the subject matter.

I will ask though, so that I acheive understanding with my humility:

Since "statutory damages" are defined as such, and not as oh, say "punitive damages" or otherwise as gains, why are they not seen as compensation paid to correct an injury suffered, or actual loss, in the tax arena?
« Last Edit: July 21, 2009 05:13:45 PM by dls7406 »
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Re: taxing settlements
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009 04:49:34 PM »
Like your neghbours tree and your car - it is pretty much a windfall.

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Re: taxing settlements
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009 05:17:02 PM »
so that would be capital gains?
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Re: taxing settlements
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2009 11:29:47 AM »
so that would be capital gains?

No, it's not an investment, it's "Other income". Somewhere below "Social Security" on your form 1040.
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